2/14/97


Space is getting tight and we are thinking of moving some computers into

the same room as our vacuum evaporator. Although we have an oil mist filter

on the VE, we get some smell from the rotary pump when roughing out the

bell jar. Any suggestions on how to eliminate this problem, the computer

users have objected to the smell and possible health concerns.

Are some filters better than others? How realistic is it to expect a filter

to eliminate all odor? I have considered venting the pumps to another room

and putting a big industrial filter there, but am worried about oil

condensing out in the vent pipe on its way to the filter. The campus

facilities folks are reluctant to vent the pumps into the building exhaust

because it will involve rebalancing the whole building etc. But they might

be up for putting in a vent to another room if we can figure out how to do

it without creating other problems.

Any ideas?

Jonathan Krupp

Microscopy and Imaging Lab

University of California

Santa Cruz, CA 95064

(408) 459-2477

FAX (408) 429-0146

jmkrupp@cats.ucsc.edu


Dear Jon,

There are several ways of dealing with rotary pump vapours. One pump

salesman told me that the best filter was a giant, movie-house bag of

popcorn! Great oil absorber and cheap to replace. I have vented most of my

pumps out the window or into the fume cupboard. I'm very surprised that the

building people were concerned about the building exhaust, since the vent

pipe is so small (one inch or less) and there is almost no movement of air

through the vent pipe, and that only for a few seconds until a bit of

vacuum is established.

If you lead a long pipe into another room, there is no harm in the vapours

condensing in the pipe, that eliminates some of the problem. The computer

users are correct, oil vapours are a health hazard if inhaled.

Mary Mager

Electron Microscopist

Metals and Materials Eng., UBC

6350 Stores Rd.

Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4

CANADA

tel:604-822-5648, fax:604-822-3619

e-mail: mager@unixg.ubc.ca


If you can smell oil, then oil is present!

When new, I feel that some oil mist filters are quite effective, but over

time I'm sure their efficiency drops significantly. Personally, in any

installation where a rotary pump is frequently moving large volumes, such

as evaporators and SEMs, I would recommend venting the rotary pump to

outside the building.

Regards,

Larry Stoter

LPS@teknesis.demon.co.uk


Jonathan,

If at all possible try to vent your RP into a fume hood or outside.

You can also double filter the exhaust by making a 3-4" dia

PVC sealed tube about 10-12" long with screw cap plugs on each end.

I've done this in the past with good results.

You have to drill a hole in the top and botton and thread in a pipe nipple

the same size as the pump outlet at the bottom of the cylinder.

Adapt this to fit the threads ofa Balston disposable vapor filter which

will sit on the inside of the cylinder. Drill another hole in the top

cap and tap it to fit another Balston filter.

I can fax you a drawing if you are interested. Just emailme your FAX #.

cheers

Ed Basgall, PhD

Penn State Univ

Dept of Chem

University Park, PA 16801

edb@chem.psu.edu


I'll vote for some sort of vapor abatement. We poke the exhaust

of our roughing pumps up an "elephant trunk", which is just a

small hose (about 5" diameter) that goes up into the house

exhaust, the same as our chemical hoods are vented into. We don't

know the effect of the slight oil vapors on our health, but

there's no reason for us to take a chance. I hope you can enjoy a

healthy work space too.

If this solution is impossible, please use some sort of absorbant

material and check it periodically to see when it is approaching

saturation. The best part of our solution is that it needs no

attention on our part.

deking@vnet.ibm.com


Jonathan,

I use Balston, Inc. filter Type 9955-12, Grade 371H on my vacuum evaporator

mechanical pump, two Sargent-Welch mechanical pumps, and a Marvac Z-30 direct

drive pump I use for pumping my vacuum desiccator for TEM film. They have a

threaded mount that fits many mechanical pump oil mist eliminator ports

directly. In the case of the Sargent-Welch, I ordered an adaptor from big

supplier of those pumps. like Fisher, etc., or adapt your own.

The metal oil mist "eliminators" that come with many mechanical pumps are often

totally useless. This Balston filter eliminates 99% of oil vapor mist, plus they

have a small tube that sticks out the bottom side for oil to drain out of. I put

a short length of plastic lab tubing from it to a small 50cc bottle to collect

filtered oil and eventually just put it back into the pump once per year. They

are inexpensive.

Balston is in Lexington, MA. Try these filters. Good luck!

Gib Ahlstrand, MMS Newsletter Editor

Electron Optical Facility, University of Minnesota, Dept. Plant Pathology

495 Borlaug Hall, St. Paul, MN 55108 (612)625-8249

612-625-9728 FAX, giba@puccini.crl.umn.edu


Dear Jonathan:

It may be that the filter insert in your existing oil mist filter

has reached saturation. The need to change the insert will depend your

frequency of use. The amount of oil vapor passing through a good quality

clean filter should be minimal and the health problem probably not serious

if entering a room with adequate air turnover. I agree that if you can smell

the oil it's undesirable.

Depending on how much you run the evaporator, I would be as concerned

about my mental state. The noise from those things can be nerve-racking!

Don Gantz

Boston Univ Med School

gantz@med-biophd.bu.edu


To the collective,

Regarding rotary pump oil vapors in areas where one

cannot vent the pumps outside. I had posted a reply

to J. Krupp about a double filter set-up I had

constructed while serving time at U of Ill. This

design has worked well for such an application.

Several others had inquired as to the construction of such a unit.

I have a drawing available for the do-it-yourselfer

or would be willing to construct one (or several) and send it out

for a modest price to anyone interested. Please contact me via

email: edb@chem.psu.edu if you would like further information on

such a unit. If there is enough interest I may just quit my day

job and produce these full time.

cheers

Ed Basgall, PhD

Penn State Univ

Dept of Chem

State College, PA 16802

Ph: 814-865-0493

FAX 814-863-0618

edb@chem.psu.edu


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